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Re: great wd session on writing your novel

Postby noob » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:32 pm

[quote="pls"]ostarella - do you get the feeling that a certain banned user has returned under a new user name?[/quote]
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why not ban everybody

then you and ostrella can have the forum to yourselves and wont have to consider any other ideas other than what you believe should be true

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Re: great wd session on writing your novel

Postby ostarella » Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:42 pm

[quote="noob"]

why not ban everybody

then you and ostrella can have the forum to yourselves and wont have to consider any other ideas other than what you believe should be true[/quote]

I think you've got that mixed up a bit. I do consider other ideas, and I tell people they should try different things to see what works for them. You, on the other hand, are the one who continually tells people they have to do it your way, that any other method will not work. Period.

If you think people here are so stupid or narrow, why do you keep coming back? Why aren't you spending your time writing the Great American Novel, so you can prove us all wrong?
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Re: great wd session on writing your novel

Postby ostarella » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:26 am

[quote="noob"]who is the last word then?

WD seems to be a BIG word and helped many writers over many decades[/quote]


I don't think there is a "last word". Even among best-selling authors, you will find conflicting advice about how to write. That's the joy of writing - you don't HAVE to do anything other than tell a good story.
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Re: great wd session on writing your novel

Postby ostarella » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:39 am

[quote="noob"]well ....

as a one time professional writer
and at times part time writer while working other jobs where i had to write

i would say that organising is the best tool available
and that if you organise then the outline pops out and is easy to do

then writing with a road map of where you are going is so much easier[/quote]

I think part of the problem is that you wrote non-fiction and many of these discussions are about fiction. Having written both, I can safely say that outlines of some sort are, indeed, pretty much necessary for NON-FICTION. That is not the case for FICTION. It's a bit like saying engineering drawings have to be drawn with all kinds of measurements, therefore you must use measurements when drawing a caricature. They're both drawing, but they're not the same type of drawing. You can use the same method, but it's not necessary to do so.
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Re: great wd session on writing your novel

Postby Dreaming Imrryr » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:41 pm

Hi noob. :)

If you are who I think you are, then welcome back and thanks for all the advice and replies.

I want to thank everyone for their advice and replies, but I wanted to thank you specifically because the old you disappeared before I could thank him.

If you are not who I think you are, then please disregard this post. :)

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Re: great wd session on writing your novel

Postby noob » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:44 pm

[quote="Dreaming Imrryr"]Hi noob. :)

If you are who I think you are, then welcome back and thanks for all the advice and replies.

I want to thank everyone for their advice and replies, but I wanted to thank you specifically because the old you disappeared before I could thank him.

If you are not who I think you are, then please disregard this post. :)[/quote]
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you are welcome

i am the same
only the name has changed

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Re: great wd session on writing your novel

Postby noob » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:49 pm

[quote="ostarella"][quote="noob"]who is the last word then?

WD seems to be a BIG word and helped many writers over many decades[/quote]


I don't think there is a "last word". Even among best-selling authors, you will find conflicting advice about how to write. That's the joy of writing - you don't HAVE to do anything other than tell a good story.[/quote]
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having researched this extensively i can say the the overwhelming number of professional writers plan and organise or outline using any name you want to call the process

and that only a small minority, and all fiction, think you can just write

the ones that succeed are quibbling about terms
as their writing is really the hard way to brainstorm ideas
and their revision is the hard way to organise their novel

in the end we all did the same things
mostly in the same order just calling it different names
only some did it the easy way
others for whatever reason spent more time and effort to get it done

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Re: great wd session on writing your novel

Postby ostarella » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:19 pm

[quote="noob"]
having researched this extensively i can say the the overwhelming number of professional writers plan and organise or outline using any name you want to call the process

and that only a small minority, and all fiction, think you can just write[/quote]

Well, as I mentioned in another post, some people insist there's only one right way or only one method that will work. I'm still waiting to see all this extensive research which of course was done scientifically with a large enough pool to show a statistically significant number of successful authors of fiction outline, and that that number is again statistically significant compared to those who don't. I'm not going to hold my breath because I know you don't have research of that quality. You've read books about writing and you more than likely read books by authors who make a lot of money telling people how to outline.

At any rate, until you have that hugely successful novel out there, I will take your words as your opinion as a nonfiction author, unfamiliar with writing fiction.
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