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Author survey for publishing student

Postby MelissaED1 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:07 am

Hi all,

Firstly, hello to everyone. I am a publishing student studying for a masters degree so it's great to find a community like this to be part of.

I am currently undertaking research into why authors choose to work with traditional publishing houses or independent publishers, or choose to self publish. I wondered whether some of you might be kind enough to answer my questionnaire to help with my research please?

It should only take about 5 minutes and would be a massive help to me: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/AuthorSurvey1

Thanks so much for your help.

Best wishes
Melissa

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Re: Author survey for publishing student

Postby ostarella » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:23 am

I'm going to nitpick a bit. The correct term is "trade publisher", which includes the Big 5 AND independent publishing companies. So it's trade publishing and self-publishing. The term "traditional" came from certain self-publishing gurus (along with the term "legacy" publishing) for some unknown (but assumed to be demeaning) reasons. They also begat the "indie publisher" misnomer. It's a thing with me, and with a lot of others who like accuracy. ;)

But on to your survey... :)
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Re: Author survey for publishing student

Postby Dreaming Imrryr » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:07 pm

"Legacy" comes from the computer industry and refers to "legacy devices" which are devices that are obsolete or no longer in production.
Hence, "legacy publishing" is obsolete or not as good as self-publishing online as indie (independent) authors. That's just an opinion, so if other writers disagree then to each their own. :)

I like using "trad" as a short form of "traditional" publishing which is an alternative and nicer way of referring to "legacy publishing". Because traditional usually refers to an older form of doing something, in order to distinguish it from a newer, more modern, and usually better form of doing something. ;)

And as mentioned above, "indie author " refers to "independent author" which is a cooler way of referring to a self-publisher, and usually refers to online self-publisher. Because indie authors are no longer at the mercy of trad publishing houses and have the possiblility of succeeding without trad publishers. :)

Go indie authors! :D

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Re: Author survey for publishing student

Postby ostarella » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:11 pm

I wasn't denigrating self-publishers in general, just pointing out that the terms "traditional" and "legacy" publishing instead of the correct "trade" publishing came from early self-publishing "gurus" (the ones that also claimed SP meant immediate wealth and fame, and/or that it was really easy to self-publish - resulting in a ton of crap being put out which mainly served to give self-publishing a bad rep). So in the publishing industry, it's trade publishers and indie publishers are those trade publishers not among the Big Five. And no, they are definitely not obsolete.

Personally, I don't care for the moniker "indie authors" because that's what we all are unless we're writing FOR someone (ie, we have a contract to write what we're told to write). I don't see any reason why people nowadays can't call themselves self-publishers with as much pride as those who are trade published, or why there's still this idea that one method of publishing just has to be better than the other ("better", of course, based on which route one takes).
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Re: Author survey for publishing student

Postby noob » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:20 pm

[quote="MelissaED1"]Hi all,

Firstly, hello to everyone. I am a publishing student studying for a masters degree so it's great to find a community like this to be part of.

I am currently undertaking research into why authors choose to work with traditional publishing houses or independent publishers, or choose to self publish. I wondered whether some of you might be kind enough to answer my questionnaire to help with my research please?

It should only take about 5 minutes and would be a massive help to me: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/AuthorSurvey1

Thanks so much for your help.

Best wishes
Melissa[/quote]
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alas

survey monkey has not worked for years on my pc

all the other free survey sites do

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Re: Author survey for publishing student

Postby noob » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:34 pm

[quote="ostarella"]I wasn't denigrating self-publishers in general, just pointing out that the terms "traditional" and "legacy" publishing instead of the correct "trade" publishing came from early self-publishing "gurus" (the ones that also claimed SP meant immediate wealth and fame, and/or that it was really easy to self-publish - resulting in a ton of crap being put out which mainly served to give self-publishing a bad rep). So in the publishing industry, it's trade publishers and indie publishers are those trade publishers not among the Big Five. And no, they are definitely not obsolete.

Personally, I don't care for the moniker "indie authors" because that's what we all are unless we're writing FOR someone (ie, we have a contract to write what we're told to write). I don't see any reason why people nowadays can't call themselves self-publishers with as much pride as those who are trade published, or why there's still this idea that one method of publishing just has to be better than the other ("better", of course, based on which route one takes).[/quote]
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who is the authoratative source on these names

when did they change the official meanings

the first SP guru was dan poynter and i had his book from the 70s
he never claimed fame and fortune

the first publishers were self publishers
gutenberg to ben franklin

then businessmen started publishing and became the official respectable publishers
next were the vanity presses who 'published' people for a BIG price

then true self publishing started up again
the vanities continued

later we got many many more of them as every print shop with a xerox machine that they had to pay for started a publishing company ala vanity style

then digital took down many of the old style vanity presses based on cost competition
but were replaced with cheaper and otherwise just as bad digital POD style vanity presses

now we even have WD accepting ads for vanity presses and confusing them with self publishing
amazon bought one of the very bad POD vanities and started their own vanity press / pseudo self publishing combined operation
along with a not yet named publishing option of just printing something without any ISBN
which also includes ebooks so that millions of 'authors' can claim their book was published even if it is just more kindle krapp that never sold a copy

along the way the traditional publishers got smaller as the competition from vanity and self publishing pitted them against TV movies sports internet and other modes of entertainment that lowered book sales

on the side for most of recent times have been the legit but small and specialised subsidy presses typically run by a university so they could publish books of value that had a very small market. profs would often pay a portion of the fee to get their tome published as that had more street cred than self publishing did and has but is still derided by some as vanity publishing although except for the modest payment there is no connection to traditional vanity.

so anyway'
traditional or even legacy publisher is well known by all in the industry whether some 'french academy' has blessed those words as official or not

trade books were distinguished from paperback and novels as a category of content not to describe the publisher per se.

indie publishers are those small publishers that are not part of the big 5 in NYC although the name is also claimed by small self publishers for their company but that really confuses nobody except those who try to dictate what the OED should call a publisher.

so tell us
who is the authority that defined the types of publishers
so we can learn the new meanings of the words we all know or used to think we new

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Re: Author survey for publishing student

Postby ostarella » Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:16 am

The authority is all the people involved in trade publishing - agents, editors, authors, advertisers, investors, etc. But I'm sure you can do your massive researching again to prove you know as much about publishing as you do about writing fiction.
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