A fair price for a good proofread/polish edit?

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Re: A fair price for a good proofread/polish edit?

Postby TerryRodgers » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:58 pm

Starchaser3000 wrote:
TerryRodgers wrote:
Starchaser3000 wrote:Basically, the punctuation, spelling, and grammar in my manuscript is not the problem. I just need someone to go over the manuscript to spot out any meticulous continuity issues in the storyline. At worst the editor might have to add/remove a comma or change a word to eliminate word repetitiveness and improve sentence structure wherever it may occur. Is it possible to pay a freelance editor somewhere in the $500-$1000 range, and he/she can do a decent job at least?


As mammamaia has indicated the going rate for a professional editor is four to five cent per word. Paying $500-$1,000 means you get what you paid for. Many editors will do partials so you could get the first 25,000 words done for $1,000.


Then that would mean that I would have to pay like over $4,000 for my manuscript to be edited. I guess if the writing is really that bad to where the editor has to rewrite the entire story that's a fair price. But for someone to include or remove a comma, quotation mark, or semicolon here and there, or shorten/extend a sentence every so often, thats just plain robbery IMO.


You asked for info on a professional editor. What you describe is a detailed or developmental edit. Do you want someone who does it for a hobby or someone that lives and breathes editing on a daily basis. You have a 100k manuscript. That's a lot of words. For the job to be done right, 100k words could take two or more months. Yes, that long. If the editor does this for a living they can't live on $1,000 for two months of work. For $1,000 you can have an editor do a read through and give you a one to two page write up of what they think needs work. No line editing, just an opinion. That would take maybe one week, more likely two if they read it twice. Once again, you get what you pay for. Remember, a professional edit on your manuscript does not guarantee an agent or publisher will pick up the novel.

You have to learn to do your own editing anyway. My suggestion is for you to find friends who love to read and other writers that are willing to help out. Many bestselling authors have first readers. I'm not saying investing in an editor is a mistake. I used one for my first novel. I was just starting out and had no writing experience or background in writing other than technical manuals. It cost me $3,600. I got exactly what I paid for. I received a complete red-lined manuscript with a ten page write-up on my strength and weaknesses and where I need to focus my writing. She even re-wrote several areas to show what she meant. That $3,600 was the best money spent and basically paid for a semester of creative writing. Without that investment, I would have still had no clue what a modifier was or POV or show versus tell or too many other areas of writing to count. I used a professional editor who had a degree in English lit and an MFA. She also had many references including published authors. That is what you want in an editor. If I were to self-publish, I would definitely spend the money on a professional editor as the one I used.

I hope this helps. If not, just one more piece of advice. Please, please, please research any editor you are considering. That includes reference checks. Good luck.

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Re: A fair price for a good proofread/polish edit?

Postby Starchaser3000 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:41 pm

FBaron wrote:
Starchaser3000 wrote:Then that would mean that I would have to pay like over $4,000 for my manuscript to be edited. I guess if the writing is really that bad to where the editor has to rewrite the entire story that's a fair price. But for someone to include or remove a comma, quotation mark, or semicolon here and there, or shorten/extend a sentence every so often, thats just plain robbery IMO.


If all you're concerned about are a few incorrect punctuation marks and a possible continuity issue, you needn't have anyone edit it. If accepted by a publisher, an editor will be assigned to work with you to polish the mss and it won't cost you a nickel.

Too many newbies believe a mss must be flat-out perfect before subbing. No book that keeps people turning pages will be rejected because of a misplaced comma or ill-considered colon. Write an engaging book. Proof it to the best of your ability. Craft a killer query. Research agents/pubs. Submit.

Repeat as necessary.


Maybe, but as mammamia may know already about me, my writing style in regards to prose and dialogue along with the graphic violence and subject matter that could be deemed in bad taste, would have to change for a literary agent to remotely give me a fair chance in the first place. I can't do that for personal reasons I really don't feel like explaining right now.

All I can say is that for me to edit my work for the purpose to make it more streamline commercial would be devastating to all that I have worked so hard for. Commercial gain is not the reason why I write. I just want a better edit that would actually embellish my intended literary concept instead of eliminating it to only make it more accessible to the Game of Thrones and Twilight crowd. That is not why I need an edit.

@TerryRodgers: Paying $3,500 for an editor is not an option for me. I will just take your advice to do some research in how I can be a better editor, yet make my writing style stand out to where people know that I am trying really hard to go against the conventional norms of modern day fiction writing.

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Re: A fair price for a good proofread/polish edit?

Postby TerryRodgers » Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:29 pm

Starchaser3000 wrote:
FBaron wrote:
Starchaser3000 wrote:Then that would mean that I would have to pay like over $4,000 for my manuscript to be edited. I guess if the writing is really that bad to where the editor has to rewrite the entire story that's a fair price. But for someone to include or remove a comma, quotation mark, or semicolon here and there, or shorten/extend a sentence every so often, thats just plain robbery IMO.


If all you're concerned about are a few incorrect punctuation marks and a possible continuity issue, you needn't have anyone edit it. If accepted by a publisher, an editor will be assigned to work with you to polish the mss and it won't cost you a nickel.

Too many newbies believe a mss must be flat-out perfect before subbing. No book that keeps people turning pages will be rejected because of a misplaced comma or ill-considered colon. Write an engaging book. Proof it to the best of your ability. Craft a killer query. Research agents/pubs. Submit.

Repeat as necessary.


Maybe, but as mammamia may know already about me, my writing style in regards to prose and dialogue along with the graphic violence and subject matter that could be deemed in bad taste, would have to change for a literary agent to remotely give me a fair chance in the first place. I can't do that for personal reasons I really don't feel like explaining right now.

All I can say is that for me to edit my work for the purpose to make it more streamline commercial would be devastating to all that I have worked so hard for. Commercial gain is not the reason why I write. I just want a better edit that would actually embellish my intended literary concept instead of eliminating it to only make it more accessible to the Game of Thrones and Twilight crowd. That is not why I need an edit.

@TerryRodgers: Paying $3,500 for an editor is not an option for me. I will just take your advice to do some research in how I can be a better editor, yet make my writing style stand out to where people know that I am trying really hard to go against the conventional norms of modern day fiction writing.


You make it sound like you've written something that has never been done before. Please tell me more. :D I've read some pretty graphic novels and use it in my own writing. Even if it's rape or incest it's been done before. Nothing is in bad taste if the public wants to read it and agents and publishers are always looking for something new and different. The word only equates to certain people. I've read some gory novels as well that involved gang rape and satanic rituals. Some people love that stuff. Agents know this.

As for different, look at the Fifty Shades novels. Porno for women. I've heard the writing isn't the greatest, but it serves what the masses of women young and old wanted. Same goes for twilight. Young girls wanted to see vampires and werewolves fall in love. Yuck...lol

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Re: A fair price for a good proofread/polish edit?

Postby Starchaser3000 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:25 pm

I guess its all about an individuals personal taste. My book series is a parody of fiction/fantasy, but there is violence in it that has severed limbs, heads, testicles, along with splattered blood, guts, and intestines within individual fights and epic battles. When it comes to sex that might compare to 50 shades of gray, I have a graphic scene in my first volume which the MC has to have ritualized sex with a priestess so that he could obtain a special relic of power that is important to the storyline. Plus there is subject matter in relation to political, racial, and social issues which some critics on the internet have told me that some potential readers might get offended over.

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Re: A fair price for a good proofread/polish edit?

Postby TerryRodgers » Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:01 pm

Starchaser3000 wrote:I guess its all about an individuals personal taste. My book series is a parody of fiction/fantasy, but there is violence in it that has severed limbs, heads, testicles, along with splattered blood, guts, and intestines within individual fights and epic battles. When it comes to sex that might compare to 50 shades of gray, I have a graphic scene in my first volume which the MC has to have ritualized sex with a priestess so that he could obtain a special relic of power that is important to the storyline. Plus there is subject matter in relation to political, racial, and social issues which some critics on the internet have told me that some potential readers might get offended over.


Then those critics are wrong because the shelves are full of crazy stuff. One of my favorite bestselling crime writers wrote a novel where a twenty year police officer turned out to be the killer. What they discovered in the end was he'd been killing for two decades and making beef jerky out of the bodies. He had a whole room filled with severed body parts. He was known throughout the state for making great beef jerky. How's that for disgusting. I loved every descriptive word of it. And look at Da Vinci Code. The Catholic church banned or shunned it or something along those lines. It sold 75 million hardcovers. The key to any novel is great writing. If you write a great novel it won't matter what the critics say. Matter of fact, if I wrote a fantastic novel and the critics reported several areas were offensive, I would bet anything my sales would increase. Readers want offensive. They want to read something that other people tell them not to. Stick with what you want to write. Make it the best novel you can possibly make it. After that query agents and keep on writing. :D

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Re: A fair price for a good proofread/polish edit?

Postby Starchaser3000 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:33 pm

Well I already self published my first volume. Do you know of any literary agents that would pick up my series even after I already self published the first volume?

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Re: A fair price for a good proofread/polish edit?

Postby mammamaia » Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:34 am

no legit agent would bother with it unless the first book sold in the tens of thousands over a fairly short period of time...

same goes for paying publishers...
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Re: A fair price for a good proofread/polish edit?

Postby mfarraday » Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:28 am

Taking a different tack, be on the watch for scammers. I saw a post on Twitter for an author that paid $500 to an editor living in Costa Rica. the deal fell through and she lost her $500. The editor simply didn't fulfill her end of the bargain, stonewalled the author and made excuses as to why she wasn't doing her job.

I would only hire someone based on references. There are a lot of people who can claim to be an editor, but who have no credentials or experience whatsoever. They can take your money and run. The buyer beware.

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Re: A fair price for a good proofread/polish edit?

Postby Starchaser3000 » Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:38 pm

mammamaia wrote:no legit agent would bother with it unless the first book sold in the tens of thousands over a fairly short period of time...

same goes for paying publishers...


Yup, thats what I thought from what people have told me on other forums. TerryRodgers optimistic attitude made me hope that he could give me a miracle somehow. :( But you are definitely realistic on the sales issue. Including, close friends & family, and maybe about 3 people over the internet, I have sold maybe no more than a whopping 10 units since my book became available in like January. But I have also given away my paperbacks and my E-Book PDF file to more than enough people and friends who get my sense of humor for free if they ask me to as well.

@Mffarraday: I just recently got back in touch with a freelance editor who I had previously submitted a sample of my volume 2 work to edit awhile back. I was pleased with the tweek polish edit he did to better embellish my intended writing style and literary concept as an extreme to what I want in parody/sublime satire. And my manuscript seemed to read better than the admittedly flawed first volume. I got back in contact with him here recently and he will do my entire manuscript, mechanical flaws and all, for less than $1000. Deal or ripoff. Opinions anyone

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Re: A fair price for a good proofread/polish edit?

Postby TerryRodgers » Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:52 pm

Starchaser3000 wrote:
mammamaia wrote:no legit agent would bother with it unless the first book sold in the tens of thousands over a fairly short period of time...

same goes for paying publishers...


Yup, thats what I thought from what people have told me on other forums. TerryRodgers optimistic attitude made me hope that he could give me a miracle somehow. :( But you are definitely realistic on the sales issue. Including, close friends & family, and maybe about 3 people over the internet, I have sold maybe no more than a whopping 10 units since my book became available in like January. But I have also given away my paperbacks and my E-Book PDF file to more than enough people and friends who get my sense of humor for free if they ask me to as well.

@Mffarraday: I just recently got back in touch with a freelance editor who I had previously submitted a sample of my volume 2 work to edit awhile back. I was pleased with the tweek polish edit he did to better embellish my intended writing style and literary concept as an extreme to what I want in parody/sublime satire. And my manuscript seemed to read better than the admittedly flawed first volume. I got back in contact with him here recently and he will do my entire manuscript, mechanical flaws and all, for less than $1000. Deal or ripoff. Opinions anyone


Optimism is my best trait. :)

I have no idea about whether your novel can be picked up by an agent since you have self-published it. Many here say no. I know of several authors who have self-published and then landed representation. Their novels did sell well though. Did you submit to agents first or did you go straight to SP? There's still plenty of stories left to tell. You could call this novel a learning experience and move to the next.

As for the editor, it's your call. The price just seems to low for the job you are expecting. Does he have other clients? Have they went on to self-publish or traditional? Is this his only job? Did he give you a timeline? That would be a good indications. I say two months for a thorough job. Let's see what others thinks so it's not just my opinion.

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