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Are we heading for Utopia or Dystopia?

Postby josh.townley » Mon May 27, 2013 9:01 pm

Just something I was thinking about the other day. The majority of this type of speculative fiction seems to predict a dystopian future for us, but is it more likely, or does it just make better reading? Is some kind of global collapse (be it financial, war, or zombie-induced) inevitable?

Are medical and technological advances edging us closer and closer towards the dream of a peaceful, utopian society, or is such a dream impossible for us humans? Maybe we're just destined to sit forever somewhere in the middle.

With so many possibilities predicted, what sort of future do you see for humanity?
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Postby robjvargas » Mon May 27, 2013 9:10 pm

I think Schrödinger applies. We're stuck in a perpetual state between the light turning off and the light turning on.

And you can pick which is which.
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Postby James A. Ritchie » Tue May 28, 2013 9:32 am

Entropy is the natural end of all things. Medical advances not only mean people live longer, it means those who would have died before having children now live long enough to have a bunch of children. More children, more drain on resources.

Two thousand years ago, we had only one hundred million people on the entire planet. Well over one hundred million were killed in wars, and war related purges during the twentieth century alone. Disease, just counting those who did not live to life expectancy, killed more than three billion. So if technology eliminates disease and war, what we'll get will not be utopia.

I've seen studies that show the earth cannot indefinitely sustain more than half a billion people, barring fantasy level technological breakthroughs that will almost certainly never happen. So if you want utopia, we have to eliminate six billion people, and keep the number there.

The problem with this, of course, is that it's unlikely technology will ever eliminate human greed and lust for power. One madman with the right, and current, technology, could kill all five hundred million people in a matter of hours.

In this area, I'm not an optimist. If there is a utopia it will probably come in the form of, Long live the roaches, the fish in the sea, the birds in the air, when man dies off, and the world is set free. --J. T. Donovan.

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Postby EccentricKim » Tue May 28, 2013 5:47 pm

I don't think utopia will ever happen. It's going to be fighting against dystopia at least for the rest of our conceivable lives. ;-)
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Postby Jowen » Wed May 29, 2013 1:07 am

For those of us who have children and grandchildren we have to believe in at least mid-opia. We have to give them hope for their future and the future of their kids. To work towards sustainability; to teach them environmental stewardship; to consume less, to recycle, plant more trees, use less water and power. We have to believe creative minds will see us through. Otherwise, we will leave future generations a legacy of fear, apathy, despondency and despair.
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