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what is/are the best niche(s) to help sales

PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:28 pm
by mike m.
just got a blog update on movies
it had an interesting assessment of niche markets that sold well although the movies were poor to bad and were cheap to make
they were
HORROR
BUILT IN AUDIENCE - POLITICS/RELIGION
VERY HIGH QUALITY DOCUMENTARIES/DRAMA (although low budget, cheap to make, quality poor)

interesting distribution of audience ratings versus critic ratings
group tightly by the type of film and no overlap!
http://americanfilmmarket.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/AFM-indie-breakout-chart-03-2.jpg

what are possible niche markets for novels that have a built in audience that would be easier to sell your novel to if it were in that genre/type

Re: what is/are the best niche(s) to help sales

PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:01 pm
by rob-lost
This changes faster than blogs/articles can be written to cover it.

Vampires were out. Until they weren't. Post-apocalyptic was out. Then came _Hunger Games_ and _Divergent_. Then it was in.

By the time someone writes a novel for a hot market, it's not hot anymore, or another niche has eclipsed that one.

Don't chase the market. WD says so. Agents say so. Publishers say so.

Re: what is/are the best niche(s) to help sales

PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:13 pm
by mike m.
[quote="rob-lost"]This changes faster than blogs/articles can be written to cover it.

Vampires were out. Until they weren't. Post-apocalyptic was out. Then came _Hunger Games_ and _Divergent_. Then it was in.

By the time someone writes a novel for a hot market, it's not hot anymore, or another niche has eclipsed that one.

Don't chase the market. WD says so. Agents say so. Publishers say so.[/quote]

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interesting

those are specific areas within a broader genre of writing
and those details change with movies too

the movie article's point was that for SMALL indie efforts certain general areas did well
even though the reviews were BAD

so is there no analogy for writing that self published wannabees might have a better chance at selling if they focused on that larger category ?

Re: what is/are the best niche(s) to help sales

PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:30 pm
by Lbeauchesne
It's an interesting question. I suppose, as with most things, the answer depends on who you ask. But for an individual writer it can sometimes come down (when self-publishing) to what they are comfortable writing.
For example, I've had many people say I should write romance. I have a romance on file. I started it many, many moons ago and it will be finished when there are 30 days in February, simply because I hate writing romance. Another writer may hate writing fantasy/sci-fi/horror...
So, while there may well be a niche market that is best for self-publishing, it won't necessarily be what every writer who goes down that route is either comfortable writing or enjoys writing.

Re: what is/are the best niche(s) to help sales

PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:46 pm
by mike m.
[quote="Lbeauchesne"]It's an interesting question. I suppose, as with most things, the answer depends on who you ask. But for an individual writer it can sometimes come down (when self-publishing) to what they are comfortable writing.
For example, I've had many people say I should write romance. I have a romance on file. I started it many, many moons ago and it will be finished when there are 30 days in February, simply because I hate writing romance. Another writer may hate writing fantasy/sci-fi/horror...
So, while there may well be a niche market that is best for self-publishing, it won't necessarily be what every writer who goes down that route is either comfortable writing or enjoys writing.[/quote]
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so true
for amateurs and wannabees it seems better to have fun and write what you enjoy
even if it hurts the chances to make a lot of money

for professionals, they can write anything and go for the big markets
not look for specialised niches that give a noobie an extra edge to sell at all

Re: what is/are the best niche(s) to help sales

PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:40 pm
by ostarella
Personally, if I didn't enjoy writing, I wouldn't do it at all. Much easier and more efficient to get a 9-5 job.

Instead of marveling with Johnson, how anything but profit should incite men to literary labor, I am rather surprised that mere emolument should induce them to labor so well. - Thomas Green

Re: what is/are the best niche(s) to help sales

PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:50 pm
by mike m.
[quote="ostarella"]Personally, if I didn't enjoy writing, I wouldn't do it at all. Much easier and more efficient to get a 9-5 job.

Instead of marveling with Johnson, how anything but profit should incite men to literary labor, I am rather surprised that mere emolument should induce them to labor so well. - Thomas Green[/quote]
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and yet it does

money is a powerful motivator to get productivity to happen

what is not surprising is that so many people pursuing a hobby for fun,
fall so short of what professionals do routinely faster better easier and with better quality results

Re: what is/are the best niche(s) to help sales

PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:49 pm
by ostarella
Actually, money is a poor motivator. I know this not only from experience and readings in business management, but via the college degrees I've gotten in Human Resource Management (yes, that's plural degrees). Job satisfaction, work environment, feeling appreciated - all those kinds of intangibles add more to productivity than money.

And I know a great many hobbyists who put more time and effort into those hobbies than people who do the same things for a living, and with much better results.

Maybe you've just been observing the wrong people.

Re: what is/are the best niche(s) to help sales

PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:14 pm
by mike m.
[quote="ostarella"]Actually, money is a poor motivator. I know this not only from experience and readings in business management, but via the college degrees I've gotten in Human Resource Management (yes, that's plural degrees). Job satisfaction, work environment, feeling appreciated - all those kinds of intangibles add more to productivity than money.

And I know a great many hobbyists who put more time and effort into those hobbies than people who do the same things for a living, and with much better results.

Maybe you've just been observing the wrong people.[/quote]
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i observe the people that i actually come into contact with
totally random sample of people

i would love to meet just one pantser who can explain HOW they do it in enough detail to teach it to a class

if you were in HR then you actually wasted any business classes you may have taken
but that does explain why you are so in love with pantsing

very few hobbyists ever get better results than a professional does
and certainly not as fast or easy

Re: what is/are the best niche(s) to help sales

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:24 am
by ostarella
More broken record.