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Re: eight books show you 95% of how to write your novel

PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:17 pm
by mike m.
[quote="MayaS"]On the subject of fiction and its relevance, I have wondered about this, to be honest.

I've asked myself WHY write fiction? HOW is that helping anybody?

Then I realized it's helped me. It's a way to escape, but it's also a way to learn certain values by "example" -- even if the example is set by fictional characters. It also makes you think, for me, at least, it makes me think more than any non-fiction book can.

And it's fun. :) I think people underestimate the value of having fun.It's my belief that no one can ever be the best version of themselves unless they have at least a bit of fun here and there.[/quote]
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most authors write to be 'creative' and have FUN. some are trying to make money. a few perhaps trying to achieve both.
some who are successful do it to make a living. to them it is WORK and not so much fun as deadlines and constraints confine their flexibility.
a few do it to push political or religious views.

to readers it is entertainment like a movie where they generate their own images from the text.
to publishers it is all about making money. with a few exceptions like academic presses and religious publishers.

most books have no impact and do nothing.
a few do change things, some for the good many for the worse.

to push a viewpoint and change minds, a non fiction book is much a better vehicle than fiction.

Re: eight books show you 95% of how to write your novel

PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:38 pm
by ostarella
[quote="mike m."]to push a viewpoint and change minds, a non fiction book is much a better vehicle than fiction.[/quote]

That, of course, ignores the novelists listed earlier who all made a great impacts on society. :roll:

Re: eight books show you 95% of how to write your novel

PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:10 pm
by mike m.
[quote="ostarella"][quote="mike m."]to push a viewpoint and change minds, a non fiction book is much a better vehicle than fiction.[/quote]

That, of course, ignores the novelists listed earlier who all made a great impacts on society. :roll:[/quote]
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nonsense

i admitted novels can make a difference
i just assert that non fiction can make a bigger difference

Re: eight books show you 95% of how to write your novel

PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:02 pm
by rob-lost
==to push a viewpoint and change minds, a non fiction book is much a better vehicle than fiction.==
And you have evidence to back that up, I'm sure. Evidence that you're about to post here, I'm equally sure.

Re: eight books show you 95% of how to write your novel

PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:10 pm
by mike m.
[quote="rob-lost"]==to push a viewpoint and change minds, a non fiction book is much a better vehicle than fiction.==
And you have evidence to back that up, I'm sure. Evidence that you're about to post here, I'm equally sure.[/quote]
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well they certainly wont do anything to persuade people who cant think let alone think logically
they are persuaded much better with propaganda which is all fiction anyway, even if not a story

Re: eight books show you 95% of how to write your novel

PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:26 pm
by rob-lost
As Mark Twain (you know, the fiction writer AND essayist) famously said, there are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Nonfiction can be lies, too.

Re: eight books show you 95% of how to write your novel

PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:48 pm
by mike m.
[quote="rob-lost"]As Mark Twain (you know, the fiction writer AND essayist) famously said, there are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Nonfiction can be lies, too.[/quote]
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look out for statistics

you will get sucked into things like the global warming hoax

Re: eight books show you 95% of how to write your novel

PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:24 pm
by ostarella
[quote="mike m."]you will get sucked into things like the global warming hoax[/quote]

Well, that explains things.

Re: eight books show you 95% of how to write your novel

PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:30 am
by mike m.
[quote="ostarella"][quote="mike m."]you will get sucked into things like the global warming hoax[/quote]

Well, that explains things.[/quote]
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it explains who deals in facts and logic and who believes propaganda

Re: eight books show you 95% of how to write your novel

PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:48 am
by ostarella
[quote="mike m."][quote="ostarella"][quote="mike m."]you will get sucked into things like the global warming hoax[/quote]

Well, that explains things.[/quote]
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it explains who deals in facts and logic and who believes propaganda[/quote]

Exactly.


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