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Re: a pantsers take on plotting

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:51 pm
by ostarella
[quote="mike m."]

there you go again

i did DO it
in the real world
and i made a living with it [/quote]

No, you didn't. You wrote non-fiction. NON-FICTION. We're talking about FICTION - NOVELS, SHORT STORIES.

FICTION.

Some day you might get that and stop saying you've done something you haven't.

Re: a pantsers take on plotting

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:59 pm
by Noizchild
I can't bring myself to switch to plotting.

Re: a pantsers take on plotting

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:17 pm
by Lbeauchesne
I did try plotting once. The problem I've always had, picked up on by teachers, friends and family is that I'm very much like an OCD ball-obsessed spaniel in a ball pool when I'm writing. The easiest way for me to write is to not plan or plot as I get so focused on details or distracted by stuff that has little to no relevance to the idea that I never started writing.

Re: a pantsers take on plotting

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:39 pm
by ostarella
My problem with plotting is that by the time I get the first couple of ideas down, I have to start adding the details and end up just writing everything anyway. It's like putting one brush stroke on the wall and walking away. Just can't do it.

Re: a pantsers take on plotting

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:47 pm
by mike m.
[quote="ostarella"][quote="mike m."]

there you go again

i did DO it
in the real world
and i made a living with it [/quote]

No, you didn't. You wrote non-fiction. NON-FICTION. We're talking about FICTION - NOVELS, SHORT STORIES.

FICTION.

Some day you might get that and stop saying you've done something you haven't.[/quote]
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you are so confused

writing is writing

the only difference between fiction and non fiction is where the material comes from
in non fiction you research it
in fiction you create it
after that the writing process is essentially identical

Re: a pantsers take on plotting

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:50 pm
by mike m.
[quote="ostarella"]My problem with plotting is that by the time I get the first couple of ideas down, I have to start adding the details and end up just writing everything anyway. It's like putting one brush stroke on the wall and walking away. Just can't do it.[/quote]
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and that is your psychological profile at work , whatever your MTBI may be although i might guess enfp

famous artists sketch out the painting first to make sure the position size and aspect are correct

your 'problem' is that you need to jump into the details too soon
the plotting approach works best at a high level without details
when it is easy to move things around
easy to spot holes
and easy to see that it all flows well without any excess to bog it down

after you have the framework it is easy to fill in the details

Re: a pantsers take on plotting

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:35 pm
by ostarella
Yeah, yeah, william. You keep talking, we'll keep doing.

Re: a pantsers take on plotting

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:42 pm
by mike m.
[quote="ostarella"]Yeah, yeah, william. You keep talking, we'll keep doing.[/quote]
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like matt groening's teacher said to him as reported in his book school is hell:
' mr gronink you do what you do very well
now ask yourself if it is worth doing at all'

whatever you have done is not impressing anyone

you are an amateur pantser with a big ego
and more likely than not vote hard core left wing and support what they do
possibly ENTF profile obsessed with details unable to see the big picture
and could have OCD like the faux frog described

Re: a pantsers take on plotting

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:49 pm
by ostarella
Oh, william, I'm hurt. I'm crushed. How could you be so cruel? I don't think I'll ever get over it.

Oh wait - I have!

Re: a pantsers take on plotting

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:57 pm
by mike m.
[quote="ostarella"]Oh, william, I'm hurt. I'm crushed. How could you be so cruel? I don't think I'll ever get over it.

Oh wait - I have![/quote]

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that fits your psychological profile